The real attack on Democracy.

[AnalogPackrat]

The  justices are "investigating". Not the lawyers, who are  arguing before the court.
There's no "waiting" for the context of an argument before the court.

But there is waiting for "journalists" to report the full context of the discussion and for the groupthinkers to accept it rather than repeat twisted talking points.

 

[hodad]

They were investigating the limits of "official" vs "personal" acts. The distinction makes a difference because presumably official acts by POTUS have immunity, personal acts do not.

JR

Justice Sonia Sotomayor: If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can give immunity?
Sauer: It would depend on the hypothetical, but we can see that could well be an official act.


So a president could well have imunity to assassinate a rival, by this weasel’s reckoning.

One further point: all this right wing speculation about the effects on future presidents—how in the world is this originalism? Shouldn’t these so-called originalists be focusing on what the law says and not what its consequences might be? (Of course, the whole originalist conceit is just propagandistic BS, so I guess as long as their premise is a lie, they can use it to justify anything.)

 

[jabe]

Justice Sonia Sotomayor: If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can give immunity?
Sauer: It would depend on the hypothetical, but we can see that could well be an official act.

Watch it now. Those direct quotes are actually twisted talking points somehow.

Shouldn’t these so-called originalists be focusing on what the law says

That would be textualism. Originalism is when you claim the founding fathers would agree with your foregone conclusion, regardless of what year the law was passed.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Indeed those questions were hypothetical talking points waiting to happen, you guys took the bait and are running with them. That's life in the free world.
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What matters is the decisions that the justices write.

JR

 

[hodad]

Justice Ketanji Brown Jones not as much.

I don’t know. If you don’t get the point of this, maybe it’s your problem and not hers:

“What was up with the pardon for President Nixon? If everybody thought that presidents couldn’t be prosecuted, then what was that about?”

 

[JohnRoberts]

I don’t know. If you don’t get the point of this, maybe it’s your problem and not hers:

again always trying to make it personal...

“What was up with the pardon for President Nixon? If everybody thought that presidents couldn’t be prosecuted, then what was that about?”

When then President Ford pardoned ex-President Nixon, Nixon was not under indictment but clearly guilty of criminal behavior (Watergate break-in etc).

I have no love for ex-President Nixon, that MF drafted me...

As has been stated multiple times already in this thread, immunity for official acts is different from immunity for private acts. Nixon's "Plumbers" political dirty tricksters was not an official act.

Then President Ford Pardoned ex-President Nixon to heal the nation and help us move on.

"Worse than Watergate" is now a drinking game trigger. Cheers...

JR

 

[hodad]

again always trying to make it personal..

I am simply suggesting that if you don’t find her lucid, maybe you should at least entertain the possibility that she is not the one with the problem here. I often find her comments trenchant and insightful. Also, your Nixon comment was largely pointless. How is trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power within the scope of a president’s duties? And all that “healing the nation” pablum—if Nixon had been tried and convicted, there’s a fair chance Trump wouldn’t have tried his stunt, and we’dall be better for it.

 

[cyrano]

That's life in the free world.

Another illusion?

 

[Tubetec]

'Thats life in the free world'

I think this idea that America is the foremost nation in the so called free world just demonstrates the extreme nationalistic hubris and extent to which people there are brainwashed ,
Your country has served the interests of its corporations ,to the detriment of the majority ,
lets call mass shootings a measure of the internal discontent ,
your off the scale America .
Blame mental illness all you want , people break down serving a corrupt system .

I find it curious , the biggest shit slingers in the brewery ,on either side of the political fence ,usually avoid responding to my comments entirely ,

Im not sure if it was this thread or not , but someone asked about further reading on project MK ,
'1977 senate committe hearing into project MK-Ultra'

Sen. Daniel K Inoue headed the senate intel commitee's hearing into the Cia ,

https://www.documentcloud.org/docum...e-on-intelligence-hearings-on-project-mkultra ,

https://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/Hearing02.htm

Core drill down for yourself , you find a methods and means section which reads very much like gain of function experiments using chemicals as well as biological means ,

Other stuff relating to how Anthrax was weaponised seems very relevant to what we've seen with covid , ie diseased animals which in turn infected humans , from which the weaponised strains were generated .

 

[Tubetec]

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/fulbright-ireland-anthony-fauci

So yeah , Fauci traveled to Ireland with a six man security team in tow ,
just goes to show until something is proven against him he's afforded the full protection of the state .

 

[Tubetec]

Gain of function research of any kind was prevented on American soil after the various enquiries into project MK , so what do you do ?
You contract out the work on enemy soil , so a false flag can be raised when the shit hits the fan , you have plausible deniabillity , thats like paragraph 1 in the CIA training manual .

 

[Tubetec]

As usual no takers Stateside to questions about the darker elements of government ,
How free are you really if you dont even feel at liberty to discuss the actions of a hidden wing of your government ?

 

[fallout]

Direct your questions to the forum liberals. They seem to love big government.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

As usual no takers Stateside to questions about the darker elements of government ,
How free are you really if you dont even feel at liberty to discuss the actions of a hidden wing of your government ?

Not a fan of CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. They abuse power and with black budgets and blackmail aren't really answerable to the people via Congressional oversight any longer. Power corrupts. Too much has been ceded to government, especially in the unelected agencies that have been created with little forethought.

What's Ireland doing about it's immigration problems?

 

[AnalogPackrat]

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/fulbright-ireland-anthony-fauci

So yeah , Fauci traveled to Ireland with a six man security team in tow ,
just goes to show until something is proven against him he's afforded the full protection of the state .

Most of us outside the narrative bubble here in the US want him to be prosecuted for his various crimes and conspiracies. But there are still an awful lot of Americans who think he and his "team" saved us.

 

[Tubetec]

Over 80% of asylum seekers arriving in this country last year arrived from the UK via the 'open door; to the north of Ireland ,
its seems that the UK government is allowing people transit its territory without processing , they just allow them in then out the back door ,no questions asked .
This policy on behalf of the UK seems purposefully designed , the implied threat to deport people to Rwanda ,seems like an instrument of fear ,
It also puts the Irish courts in a position where deportation could be problematic , because of the human rights concerns of people who end up subsequently deported to Rwanda .
The crown of England tried as hard as it could for 800 years wipe out the Irish , it didnt work , now their flooding us with migrants instead .
Th UK policy is designed to fuel extremism , which were seeing on an almost daily basis , where centres to house migrants get burned down , politicians are issued with death threats and bomb scares at their home address , etc
Many in the building trade have left Ireland , call center workers arent going to get us out of the housing crisis .

 

[JohnRoberts]

Most of us outside the narrative bubble here in the US want him to be prosecuted for his various crimes and conspiracies. But there are still an awful lot of Americans who think he and his "team" saved us.

I would be happy if Fauci was just gone... WTF is he doing flying around the world with a "state" security team (US marshals)? He was over in Ireland receiving awards/honors, like "Fulbright Ireland Public Service Award 2024 ". He became a fellow of the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland in a virtual ceremony in 2021, apparently somebody over there likes him.

Maybe he could live over there now?

JR

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Over 80% of asylum seekers arriving in this country last year arrived from the UK via the 'open door; to the north of Ireland ,
its seems that the UK government is allowing people transit its territory without processing , they just allow them in then out the back door ,no questions asked .
This policy on behalf of the UK seems purposefully designed , the implied threat to deport people to Rwanda ,seems like an instrument of fear ,
It also puts the Irish courts in a position where deportation could be problematic , because of the human rights concerns of people who end up subsequently deported to Rwanda .
The crown of England tried as hard as it could for 800 years wipe out the Irish , it didnt work , now their flooding us with migrants instead .
Th UK policy is designed to fuel extremism , which were seeing on an almost daily basis , where centres to house migrants get burned down , politicians are issued with death threats and bomb scares at their home address , etc
Many in the building trade have left Ireland , call center workers arent going to get us out of the housing crisis .

Does Ireland have no control of its border? Who voted for the government in power? How much support do these immigration policies garner from regular citizens? Honest questions. I don't follow Irish news/politics*. Seems to me the Irish need to reassert their will before it's too late.

*My father's side is Irish and English. He's passed the genealogy torch to me and I've extended some lines. Our ancestors immigrated to the colonies of Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina in the very early to mid 1700s.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Does Ireland have no control of its border? Who voted for the government in power? How much support do these immigration policies garner from regular citizens? Honest questions. I don't follow Irish news/politics*. Seems to me the Irish need to reassert their will before it's too late.

*My father's side is Irish and English. He's passed the genealogy torch to me and I've extended some lines. Our ancestors immigrated to the colonies of Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina in the very early to mid 1700s.

Ireland has a rich and contentious history with England. IRA history is pretty notorious. Ireland joined the EU 50 years ago. Then there's the recent Brexit drama... There is too much history to capsulate in 25 words or less.

Tubetec gives us his highlights reel of current events.

JR

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Ireland has a rich and contentious history with England.

I'm aware of much of that.

IRA history is pretty notorious. Ireland joined the EU 50 years ago. Then there's the recent Brexit drama... There is too much history to capsulate in 25 words or less.

I want to hear the man himself explain what's going on now.

Tubetec gives us his highlights reel of current events.

I've read much of it, yes.

JR