The real attack on Democracy.
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We've always had an open border policy with the UK ,
for generations you werent even required to carry ID to cross from one to the other .
Thats basically still the way it is in the North of Ireland , one of the reason for this is the way the border was set up , many small rural towns on the Irish side ended up closer to bigger towns across the border with better access by road , theres also many who live in the republic who work across the border in the north.
Currently the UK threatens Asylum seekers with deportation to Rwanda , but thats very costly and their are the human rights issues involved with sending people to a place where their likely to be tortured .
Its obviously more expeditious to let them in the front door and point them in the direction of Northern Ireland , from there ,they vanish and end up here undocumented .
We were under the rule of the crown of England for around 800 years , that basically ended in 1922 , when Michael Collins was sent to London by Devalera , to sign the treaty with the UK ,
The agreement was that the 6 counties in Irelands north east would remain part of the UK ,
the other 26 counties would be ruled from our own parliment in Dublin . As you can imagine , people in the north of a nationalist persuasion felt very left down there wasnt a 32 county Ireland .
Right after 1922 a civil war started here , not between the people of the north and south , but free state or pro treaty(government forces) vs anti treaty (IRA) .
This led to a division within Ireland where many connected with the anti treaty movement were shown the wrath of the state , in fact even im my days in school around 30 odd years ago , certain kids were picked on brutally by the teachers and head master especially , I didnt understand the reason people who were generally from a more working class backround were treated so badly ,
It was only years later when I reconnected with some of my old school mates I realised what was actually happening .
Irish history is a complicated subject that Im only just scratching the surface of here , I never read much about it ,despite my grandparents having almost every book written on the subject on the shelf ,
Instead I sought out peoples spoken history , and as you know that tells a very different story than the history that was written down in the books by the winners .
I think once the full truth of what Fauci did comes out , there will be no government agency on the planet capable of keeping him safe ,
Ive no idea about Fauci's security detail , but in all likelyhood its already handled by outside contractors , not US agents .
His personal protection must be costing the public millions though .
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Fastnet Rock off Irelands south west coast
for generations you werent even required to carry ID to cross from one to the other .
Thats basically still the way it is in the North of Ireland , one of the reason for this is the way the border was set up , many small rural towns on the Irish side ended up closer to bigger towns across the border with better access by road , theres also many who live in the republic who work across the border in the north.
Currently the UK threatens Asylum seekers with deportation to Rwanda , but thats very costly and their are the human rights issues involved with sending people to a place where their likely to be tortured .
Its obviously more expeditious to let them in the front door and point them in the direction of Northern Ireland , from there ,they vanish and end up here undocumented .
We were under the rule of the crown of England for around 800 years , that basically ended in 1922 , when Michael Collins was sent to London by Devalera , to sign the treaty with the UK ,
The agreement was that the 6 counties in Irelands north east would remain part of the UK ,
the other 26 counties would be ruled from our own parliment in Dublin . As you can imagine , people in the north of a nationalist persuasion felt very left down there wasnt a 32 county Ireland .
Right after 1922 a civil war started here , not between the people of the north and south , but free state or pro treaty(government forces) vs anti treaty (IRA) .
This led to a division within Ireland where many connected with the anti treaty movement were shown the wrath of the state , in fact even im my days in school around 30 odd years ago , certain kids were picked on brutally by the teachers and head master especially , I didnt understand the reason people who were generally from a more working class backround were treated so badly ,
It was only years later when I reconnected with some of my old school mates I realised what was actually happening .
Irish history is a complicated subject that Im only just scratching the surface of here , I never read much about it ,despite my grandparents having almost every book written on the subject on the shelf ,
Instead I sought out peoples spoken history , and as you know that tells a very different story than the history that was written down in the books by the winners .
I think once the full truth of what Fauci did comes out , there will be no government agency on the planet capable of keeping him safe ,
Ive no idea about Fauci's security detail , but in all likelyhood its already handled by outside contractors , not US agents .
His personal protection must be costing the public millions though .
above :
Fastnet Rock off Irelands south west coast
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Dr Fauci is scheduled to testify in public hearings Jun 3. AFAIK he is receiving US tax payer funded security. In 2023 it was transferred to US marshals service.
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Democrats in the house are trying to pass legislation to withhold secret service protection from ex-president Trump if convicted of any of his sundry pending felony cases (they really don't like him).
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RFK Jr is not currently getting secret service protection (they don't like him either).
Since the whole concept of protecting presidential candidates was triggered by the assassination of another Kennedy back in 1963 maybe this next generation Kennedy deserves protection.
JR
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Democrats in the house are trying to pass legislation to withhold secret service protection from ex-president Trump if convicted of any of his sundry pending felony cases (they really don't like him).
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RFK Jr is not currently getting secret service protection (they don't like him either).
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Since the whole concept of protecting presidential candidates was triggered by the assassination of another Kennedy back in 1963 maybe this next generation Kennedy deserves protection.
JR
Not really clear on what the questions are exactly.
This is a nation of laws, not "traditions," amirite?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/...e_code=1.oE0.nLeP.BTwcSAWobBcd&smid=url-share
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/29/...e_code=1.oE0.nLeP.BTwcSAWobBcd&smid=url-share
Matador
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FDS is real.
fallout
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Idiots were walking around with Fauci socks and shirts. Yes! FDS is real.
I hear you can buy the overstock for practically nothing these days. Stock up!
FDS? Fauci derangement syndrome? I hadn't a clue, fortunately, brother fallout was there to demonstrate it
I don't think Fauci is important. It's much more interesting to see who is the source of the demand is. Fauci is just a civil servant, trying to meander through the maze of power.
For instance, the 5 million $ the University of Texas paid to Wuhan has never been justified or even mentioned. If it wasn't for shoddy bookkeeping in Wuhan, we probably wouldn't know about it. And from the little we know about it, it seems mainly research that is illegal in the USA has been asked from Wuhan. It seems US universities are not really law-abiding citizens...
It also seems Wuhan had only US customers. The same goes for the labs in Ukraine. Apparently, Israel wouldn't risk it.
fallout
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I don't know if 'important' is the right word. A civil servant who was given enough power to enforce government lockdowns destroying small businesses and forcing vaccinations on millions? FDS? Call it whatever you like.
No argument here. I'd certainly like an explanation.
why does everything turn into personal digs... be nicer. It appears that Senator Rand Paul also has a case of FDS.FDS? Fauci derangement syndrome? I hadn't a clue, fortunately, brother fallout was there to demonstrate it
Umm opinions vary. IIRC Dr Fauci is scheduled to appear for a public hearing in June. I am not optimistic about him revealing any new information
There is a web of funding relations reaching back to high federal government offices. Efforts were made to insulate Dr Fauci from direct responsibility.
That doesn't pass the smell test. Are you saying that a biolab weaponizing viri for GOF, in Wuhan China was "only" working for US customers?
Seriously?
JR
Someone needed to take decisions. We were relatively fortunate that for once, politicians relied on scientists. From what I could observe locally, most fraudsters were caught pretty fast. And afaict, it's only Pfizer that has been in the crosshair. Scientists are usually easy to corrupt as they depend on a lot of goodwill to finance their projects. And most of them aren't used to keep their eyes open for scams and blackmail opportunities.
I've been looking for other customers of the Wuhan lab. There aren't any, besides China and the USA. And the Chinese ones complain about having to wait. Mainly the biologist who first introduced samples from bats. And she had so many samples, she wasn't even hoping to have all of them studied. She also needed to stay quiet, after a few remarks about the dangers of GOF research and the minute progress of science it delivered.
I don't know what the two labs in Ukraine were researching exactly, but it struck me that they weren't allowed to report to anyone but their US clients. That's not legal in Europe, but, hey, the Ukraine isn't an EU member yet. That US client was military or some security agency. A lot of new administration was formed in the US to hide stuff.
I do know from older publications both labs specialised in viral research and had been dabbling in GOF research before.
Then there was that report from India, suggesting COVID 19 showed signs of GOF research. That report quickly vanished from the net. Without any comments from peers. It is a "no go" zone for most researchers these days, as it isn't beneficial to their careers. Just some older, retired virologists dare to comment on it, but they are getting ignored.
China seems like an unusual choice, taking the negative propaganda into account. I suspect Israel declined any part of this research. Anything in the EU was legally impossible. That leaves Japan as a possibility. But I'm pretty certain Japanese labs wouldn't touch GOF research with a ten foot pole.
Relax, John. It's a joke. Hence the 'brother'.
Seriously. Minus the "weaponising". See if you can find any other customer.
Don't forget, before the US became a customer, they were a very small operation. Almost primitive, compared to others. That was part of the risk. Remember one of the janitors got jailed for selling test animals in Wuhan's wet market? Anyone in a serious lab wouldn't even think about such a thing.
TIL the director of the NIAID has the power to force each state to enact a separate and unique lockdown, and an army of soldiers to hold down unwilling citizens as they get jabbed.
fallout
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FWIW, no offense was taken.
fallout
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I'm not sure I understand your point. Is this something you're ok with?
so that is supposed to make it ok...
China has not exactly been open to helping international groups research the origins of COVID. I know that i (we) don't know all the answers.
That's a story I don't recall hearing before.
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So you think scientists are corruptible but politicians and government officials are not ?
JR
The ONLY non-Chinese researcher ever connected to the Wuhan lab, was Danielle Anderson, born in Australia, currently residing in Singapore. Below is a list of her research papers:
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Qx_-72oAAAAJ&hl=en
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Qx_-72oAAAAJ&hl=en
