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Wow I am not sure if I like this circuit. Its alot like a cardiod only older u87 circuit mixed with a EF circuit like in the cheap china circuit like the v67,2001 even down to the use of a PNP transistor if I traced this right.

Notes

not having a source bypass cap, No bypass cap more noisy:However I should add it helps with making the gain of the Fet more linear Fets without feedback (soure r bypassed with a good cap) have more of a pentode curve. Remember triodes are more linear than most gain devices without feedback

EF has bad bias setup only one transistor and it is electro cap coupled to the Drain. for the picture the ef looks to be a pnp like in the china stuff.

if it was a direct coupled NPN you don't need the electro and the current in each semicondutor leg is going in opposite directions causing a more constant current draw from the Phantom supply.

The switches look to be a sensitivy control by dropping the voltage to the capsule. I see 3 part I can remove from this circuit.

Center tap on the output side is the phantom V path to the resitor on the top right in the picture of the top of the board. the to what looks like a 2.2k then a zener bypassed to ground with the FC cap last number of the zener pn might be the voltage 24 older U87 or 33 newer U87 I would guess

Then another dropping resistor to the Drain resistor the node of the two resistor bypassed with the big Jamercon cap

Looks like a 3 gig to ground on the gate. A unbypassed soure R to ground A 680pf ? to the gate the other side of the 680 to another 3 gig to ground and the red wire of the capsule.

Now the bad part IMO a elctro Jamercon? to the base of a pnp the base of the pnp to ground via a resistor no other resistor to a + V this is a way to bias not stable you should have another resistor to a more + part of the circuit power supply this can be a path for noise but with GOOD design it is not an issue.

then another electro off the emitter to the transformer I would guess a 2:1 because of the size and the cheap parts used. IIRC lower ratio transformer are not as critical with winding as higher ratios


I will say more when I get the part values and numbers. I have a few more thought out SS circuits designs forming in my head . For the cost of this microphone have a custom fet speced.


I will scan my traced schematic tomorrow.

The only original looking things with the phantom are the shock mount and the capsule IMO.
 
My VM1 is a 600 something serial number. I sent a picture to someone I forget now of my VM! in pieces in the plastic top of a CD holder spindle.

I would like to see if there have been VM1 changes.
 
I was tired last night when I was tracing the circuit. I now think the second transistor is a N channel Fet used as a SF. I used the top and bottom pictures to trace. The part numbers were made up from the top view of the board.

Scanning now

edit

Emailed Zebra, let the fun begin
 
It's a bit too big to post into the thread so go here and download it.

http:/www.omnipressor.com/MicSchLib/Bphantomc.GIF

Cheers!
Stewart
 
I just saw two mistakes I made, draw a r12 in the top right and the r8 by r11 should be marked r10(the r8 above r9 is good)

Now some voltages and resistor values to finish it.

Things I would do different. I would remove r5 and c2. I would change c3,r3,t2 and r2 to a npn EF circuit base of the transistor direct to the drain of t1, collector to the former drain connection emitter to r2 and use a film for c4.

From what I could find on the web the C draws about 4ma that means the phantom resistors need to be mached realy good to keep out any inbalance in the microphone transformer. 2ma are flowing in from each end to the tap. it will be interesting to set what each Fet current is.

Does the first fet run at a standard U87 current?
 
[quote author="zebra50"]http:/www.omnipressor.com/MicSchLib/Bphantomc.GIF
Stewart[/quote]
Yes, Solidtube fetted.
short source resistor of first transistor,
some + bias (resistive divider) for follower, big current, lower
Gm, smaller trafo ???
xvlk
 
vm1 pics ;)

vm1_1.jpg

vm1_2.jpg

vm1_3.jpg
 
is that oxidation on the copper? My board is a different design than that.

Looks like a tungstrom or tesla ef86.

Does your capsule have ten hole that line up?

thanks for the picture.
 
[quote author="Gus"] Looks like a tungstrom or tesla ef86.
[/quote]
This one in the triangle on the tube,
it is RFT german tube.
See the getter ? Not much reflective. May be poor vacuum?

xvlk
 
Yes, xvlk, the tubes look like some I got with my Reissman amplifiers - very likely RFT.

Don't you think the construction looks a lot like Jakob's G7s?

The PCB does look oxidised in the photo.

Interesting transformer(s). Pikatron? Has anyone heard of them?

Stewart
 
I have read where people have wanted a mechanical drawing of a mic.

is this right?

http://www.akg.com/mediadatabase/psfile/datei/73/c12vr4055d224571de.pdf

this is for a new c12
wow i just found this nice photo on akgs website-
you will have to download the product info
http://www.akg.com/products/powerslave,id,508,_language,EN,mynodeid,.html

I hope all of these links turn out to be links
and a question
do I have to host a webpage and post a photo then link it to add a photo?

thank you,
Patina
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interesting thread at gearsltuz about the phantom C etc

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?s=ea4d091cf6e25ae3c0cc3dfb20b9468d&threadid=10045&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
 
[quote author="Gus"]interesting thread at gearsltuz about the phantom C etc

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?s=ea4d091cf6e25ae3c0cc3dfb20b9468d&threadid=10045&perpage=15&pagenumber=1[/quote]
But no schematics on newer Geffels,
they can be not boring like CMV*** ?

:-(((( , :..-(

xvlk
 

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