Some Qs on LEDs for biasing

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[quote author="recnsci"][quote author="bcarso"] But typical nonlinearites follow a power law with level, with 2nd growing linearly with level, third rising as the square, etc. [/quote]

Not exactly true. If we are talking about polynomial operators and if input
is sin(wt), x^3 will produce 3w AND w therms, x^4 will produce 4w AND 2w,
x^5 will produce 5w AND 3w AND w etc.
So if you look at second harmonic in THD spectrum, you will have
contributions from all even order therms in polynomial.

Now nice part. Few years ago I developed expression for all harmonic
produced by 7th order polynomial. While that paper is lost amid junk
in my "archive" I do remember that contribution of higher order is
converging (that is x^6 will give highest DC therm, than x^2 than x^4 and
x^6 will be lowest). OTOH all these components are proportional to
coefficient in front of x^n exponent. So they are usually small cus usually
these coefficients for high order exponents are small.

Now even nicer part. Note that all odd parts of polynomial will produce
component at fundamental. Those components ARE DISTORTION.
When you look just
sine wave, this effect resembles compression. With infinite time constants.
I have no idea what is audible effect of this "fake fundamental", cus
I havent figured out how to extract it. Fun
part is, THD wont show these, IM wont show these. BTW even order
exponents will have largest contribution to DC. This is DC when you
use constant amplitude input signal. With real world dynamic signals, even
therms will produce funny "fake transients".

cheerz
urosh[/quote]

I did say typical, not my later example of a cubing operator, which would be an unusual nonlinearity to encounter in an amp.

Try to dig up that ealier work though---it sounds interesting.
 
BTW has anybody seen actual math proof of "20dB less of closed loop
gain will produce 20dB less in distortion components". Dennis Colin has
stated this as assumption, and I always prefer hard proofs to soft assumptions.

I would assume that this could be provable if we apply negative
feedback around polynomial operator, but I doubt nature is
so generous to provide us with nice polynomials wherever we want.
For a start, as Brad pointed earlier in this thread, LED don't comply
to Shockley model. In my head still rings Boyds' statement in his
Volterra paper "Volterra series are accurate for electronic circuit cus
semi devices are described by Eberss-Moll equations, which are analytical "
I maybe wrong, but I remember that all pn junction physics start with
assumption that junction is infinitely "tall". I dont remember when and if
edge effects are taken into account.

cheerz
urosh
 
[quote author="recnsci"]BTW has anybody seen actual math proof of "20dB less of closed loop
gain will produce 20dB less in distortion components". [/quote]

I can't find my copy of Gray & Meyer at the moment, but Wambacq and Sansen (Distortion Analysis of Analog Integrated Circuits, ISBN 0792381866) cite their 3rd edition for the basic derivation, if I read them correctly.

EDIT: Nahh---at least not in Gray and Meyer 1st Ed.
 
This looks interesting:

http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/~schubert/Reprints/2005%20Chhajed%20et%20al%20(SPIE%20Photonics%20West)%20Junction%20temperature%20in%20LEDs.pdf#page=3

I had thought it was ~ -2mV/K.

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> The board parses the link incorrectly

http://tinyurl.com/LED-tempco

preview TinyURL: http://preview.tinyurl.com/LED-tempco

"Junction temperature in light-emitting diodes assessed by different methods"
3MB PDF file
 
Could be 1.8mV-2.0mV/degC for Red, 4mV/degC for Green and Blue, over our usual current and temperature zones.

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Thanks bcarso. Sometimes I feel just like a psychologist having to deal with people's "baggage." And the tips ain't what they used to be either.

The piano moving business is really picking up though.
 

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