What the **** is this ?

[Winston OBoogie]

Wasn´t it you, who played this silly "Uncle Fester" game recently?

No, it wasn't him, but another member. It was nicely marketed as "sharing behind the scenes"

So, who was/is 'Uncle Fester?

 

[lofi]

character from the Adams family somebody who thought I would spend a shed load on a PCB

 

[lofi]

why would somebody go to such extremes as this? I'm actually at a loss for words

 

[Winston OBoogie]

  I bet that lady's a lovely old soul though, whoever she is.

 

[RedNoise]

Hey Klaus , we're not so far with the "smokin'girl" I think...
I'm pretty sure Uncle Fester was a pipe smoker...Or there were some fake pieces of evidence on the hosted pictures of the GT...

 

[lofi]

  I bet that lady's a lovely old soul though, whoever she is.

You right, probably better than mine anyway!

you will be wearing your testicles for ear rings if your 'old lady' reads this thread

 

[desol]

  I bet that lady's a lovely old soul though, whoever she is.

You right, probably better than mine anyway!

you will be wearing your testicles for ear rings if your 'old lady' reads this thread

 

[sahib]

If somebody is going to be selling on a regular basis 1176, then whos design/ pcb is it, are royalties being paid? what % of sales revenue go to the forum for advertising space, that sort of stuff.

Iain

How about the person/company who owns the intellectual rights to 1176?

On this subject, does it mean that Purple Audio are breaking the law in making the MC77?

Difficult to say. Although the general layout of the front panel is the same, I have to check what the potentiometer knobs are like. But the push button switches are off the shelf product, so is the vu meter. Unless they have a patent on that particular look it can turn into a long debate. However, API recently acquired the patent for the potentiometer knobs they use on the basis that, that particular outlook has a well established association with API brand. The whole point is you can argue in the court until the donkeys came home, but if you put 1176 on that front panel I believe you would be infringing as 1176 designation also has a well established association with a particular outlook and the sound. As I said it before I always thought that G1176 designation was highly risky.

However, on this particular issue the point is not whether Purple Audio is in infringement. They specifically asked their logo not to be used and they are entitled to that, not the case and the colour, because they realise that neither the case, nor the paint is their copyright, unless they mixed a particular and unique shade of that pink and patented it.

 

[kazper]

And what is that going to change? Still same sh*t going on, just divided into big sh*t and even bigger sh*t.

Your absolutely right...

 

[Uncle Fester]

Hmmm... copywrong laws. OK. Going to read fat books at family graveyard place.

 

[Winston OBoogie]

Hmmm... copywrong laws. OK. Going to read fat books at family graveyard place.

Intellectual Property: 84.109.85.191

 

[rodabod]

IP: 84.109.85.191

I was going to say the same.

But I wasn't sure if I could Tel Aviv the location.

 

[Winston OBoogie]

I wasn't sure if I could Tel Aviv the location.

nudge, nudge,  ,  .

 

[analag]

So the problem has been discussed....and discussed. What is the solution. Without a solution it's just noise on top of noise which in my world is pointless, useless and so forth....

 

[rrs]

My answer is Yes. I've bought Mnats boards and Gustav's boards. I've been very happy with those. I don't feel like I've been participating in a profit-making experience.

But that's exactly my point now that this conversation has turned in this direction...Gustav makes boards of OTHER peoples layouts and makes them in his family's pcb fab house...so do we now throw him under the bus because he hardly posts here AND makes a profit.

By the rationale that seems to be floating around in this conversation now, Gustav is the DIY anti-christ, and I am tied with a few others for runner-up.

This conversation is starting to turn a little elitist.... It would seem to me that there's a lot of hypocrisy going around, as some people feel that selling a DIY unit made from someone else's pcb is unethical, but cloning an in-production unit is not. Also to be upset about something that has happened on a secret forum and bring it up here needs some deeper thought.

If you want to be technical, both are unethical, it just so happens that scenario one hits closer to home.

I'd like to ask one question of those of you who are saying that there should be no business here at all...have you ever bought a PCB?

I think befere we go any further we need to re-read these posts and look objectively at our own practices.

RE: the secret forum this has left me feeling a little saddened and explains a lot of the bizarre things that happen here.

 

[Infernal_Death]

So the problem has been discussed....and discussed. What is the solution. Without a solution it's just noise on top of noise which in my world is pointless, useless and so forth....

Hey Analag, i don't think there can be a solution that has to be followed by everyone.
There went some things down for quite a while and the complete unit turning up at gearslutz just was the last and final thing.
Therefore this behaviour was turned "public".
Now i think everybody has to draw his/her conclusions themselves:
Do you want to support this person by buying his cases anymore ?
As a designer of a project do you want to support this person by allowing him to make cases for your project and ultimately earn money with your work ?
Do you want to sell him any more pcb's with knowing that they could turn up anywhere ?
(Now a hard one) Do you still want to publish your project because there are people out there that will rip you off even if they are denying everything ?

That's something everybody has to decide for themselves.

Flo

 

[lofi]

(Now a hard one) Do you still want to publish your project because there are people out there that will rip you off even if they are denying everything ?

For the rest of it I have made my mind, but this causes concern. Theres some sort of uber forum where all the glitterati hang, making very very good pcbs, but all i will learn from this is to solder as I wont be privileged to the trouble shooting threads. then somebody goes and sells these by the boat load to a guy (for him and his friends) and complains that they appear for sale on GS.

from a casual observance thats how it would appear.

first solution, be pragmatic, how many of this Item would a studio really use? 1 or 2? then limit the sale of pcbs to that per person, if their friends want some, let them join the forum.

People will always rip others off, whether its fellow board members or manufacturers. Its a case of honor to fellow members, if you cant display that then your not the sort of person to do business with.

no need for any changes here apart from,

stickies for commercial / semi commercial / Group Buy sales
threads for one off sales

a bit of logical self policing maybe

Iain

 

[keefaz]

For my part, I don't understand one thing...
One person is selling the phoenix compressor clone at $3800
But the real thing is priced $3795 at Mercenary Audio
http://www.mercenary.com/thcuphstvaco.html
I surelly miss something though 
[Edit]
Ok, I think I get it, I see the "mastering" version priced at $4675 at Mercenary audio
so I guess the clone is the mastering version
(ah, it was stated "mastering compressor" in the gearslutz listing, I guess I should read more carefully sorry)

 

[[silent:arts]]

For the rest of it I have made my mind, but this causes concern. Theres some sort of uber forum where all the glitterati hang, making very very good pcbs, but all i will learn from this is to solder as I wont be privileged to the trouble shooting threads. then somebody goes and sells these by the boat load to a guy (for him and his friends) and complains that they appear for sale on GS.

Iain, one little but imo important correction:
nobody sold those PCBs to Purusha, he has stolen the PCB files and manufactured them himself.
if he buys 10 D-LA2A PCBs from me to resell those with his cases it is completely another story.

for all this hidden forum stuff:
I don't see the difference if I discuss some designs with a few people via email or in a forum.
don't know how many emails I exchanged with Kubi and bernbrue designing and beta testing the D-AOC PCB.
the same between analag, bernbrue and me with the Poor Man PCB. you can't read them either.

Theres some sort of uber forum where all the glitterati hang

it isn't, and most projects will still develop using emails.

 

[sahib]

...............................
(Now a hard one) Do you still want to publish your project because there are people out there that will rip you off even if they are denying everything ?

Hold on here.

In this argument I centered my views around Purple Audio's logo but I feel I have to comment on this particular point.

Are cloning somebody else's product is not ripping it off? Majority of what is going on on this forum is nothing but ripping other people's work off. Whether it is for own use, for friends or with commerical intentions. Let's be clear on this.

I am criticising Tat because he broke the trust of certain individuals. Whether those certain individuals' work was already a ripp-off of somebody else's work or not. That is not the issue. The issue is he was entrusted with those pcb files and he commercialised them. This is the first point. The second one is that he was asked not to use Purple Audio trademark on those cases and he did. Also hearing other brands asuch as NEVE  is not nice. Of course, all of my comments are based on what is presented on this thread.