Cloning a 1968 Silicon Fuzzrite

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I don't know if this is of interest to anyone, but I was asked by a friend to clone his original 1968 Fuzzrite - he would like to use it on-stage but is afraid his original might get stolen.
There's plenty of information about this fuzz on the web, including schematics for different versions (there's a nice write-up of all the different versions here, no schematics though: https://fuzzboxes.org/features/fuzzrite).

I traced the circuit myself and took all the measurements I felt were necessary. Component value measurements were done out of circuit. See the annotated schematic attached to this post.
I did include the bypass switching as it's rather unique/weird and none of schematics I looked at included it.

On that note: if anyone can tell me what purpose C5 serves I'd be happy to be educated. When the effect is "on" (e.g. not in bypass) C5 is shorted/bypassed by SW2A, when the circuit is bypassed, C5 negative terminal is connected to battery minus and the positive terminal is connected to the input (and output) signal.
Some sort of anti-pop? How does it work?

The measurered R/C values aren't of real interest for a general clone of the Fuzzrite but it's interesting to see how far off of their nominal value some of the parts are.

The clone was built with metal film resistors and film capacitors, except for C5 where I used a low ESR electrolytic. I matched the values with the measured values from his original, sometimes using things in series or parallel to get the right value.
Finding the right transistors took some time. I believe these are Sprague and the type nr. is an in-house number.
I tried anything I had within the measured hFE range and the only ones that worked, i.e. where the end result sounded like the original, were 2N3904. Where these differ from all the other transistors I tried, is that they had similarly low Vcesat values as the TZ-82 (when measured with a DCA75 Pro), between 20mV and 25mV, whereas all the rest measured upwards of 100mV.
Whether there's causality here I don't know, it was just something I noticed.
Other transistor types I tried were 2N2222A, BC174, BCY59A, BC549A, 2SC752.

One last observation: it did appear as though the pedal sounded different when powered from a power supply compared to a battery. With the power supply the sound was noticably brighter to my ears - even with the supply voltage set to 8.37V. I didn't spend much time thinking about this, but I do know that the original and the clone sound the same when powered from the same source - battery or power supply.

I have no build pictures as the clone is still on the breadboard. The reason for this is that while my friend agrees that it does sound just like the original, what he was actually expecting was the same sound but louder. And I have to agree with him, when played with humbuckers the perceived loudness is barely unity. So I'll have to see about that, maybe a simple makeup gain stage.
I do have pictures of the original - if anyone's interested I'd be happy to post them here.

This was the first time I ever had to build something which sounded identical to something existing. It was also the first time I was able to open up and look at a vintage pedal. All in all a rather educating, enjoyable and satisfying experience.

Lastly, while I'm not much of a Fuzz(-pedal) fan, I do think the circuit is rather neat in its simplicity and the range of sounds you're able to get from varying the "Depth" control, and I quite like the sounds.

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The reason for this is that while my friend agrees that it does sound just like the original, what he was actually expecting was the same sound but louder.

Sorry, but I got confused here.
Why was you'er friend expecting for something "Louder"?

If it is a good clone, then it should sound like the original and should also have the same loudness as the original.

Am I missing something here?

And I have to agree with him, when played with humbuckers the perceived loudness is barely unity. So I'll have to see about that, maybe a simple makeup gain stage.

But is it different than the original or is it the same in terms of volume?
 
By the way,
this is not a guitar pedals / stompbox oriented forum,
it's more oriented towards Studio and Recording Pro Audio.

You should post in dedicated guitar pedal forums:

diystompboxes forum and Freestompboxes

You will get much more replies and help over those 2 spots
 
If he wants a louder option, build him one of the many simple booster circuits out there. You could put it in the same box with a separate foot switch or a separate box so he could try it in different places on his pedalboard. Hopefully our resident Fuzz guru, Gus, makes an appearance here. He's usually got something useful to add.

I built a Runoffgroove Omega boost which I like very much, but I mostly play single coil guitars (tele, strat, Rickenbacker, Casino). It tends to break up even with hot single coils, so probably not a great choice with humbuckers. There are other cleaner boosts around.
 
I don't know if this is of interest to anyone, but I was asked by a friend to clone his original 1968 Fuzzrite - he would like to use it on-stage but is afraid his original might get stolen.
Yes, I am very interested because I am planning to build one or two Fuzzrites! Good timing!
Finding the right transistors took some time. I believe these are Sprague and the type nr. is an in-house number.
I tried anything I had within the measured hFE range and the only ones that worked, i.e. where the end result sounded like the original, were 2N3904. Where these differ from all the other transistors I tried, is that they had similarly low Vcesat values as the TZ-82 (when measured with a DCA75 Pro), between 20mV and 25mV, whereas all the rest measured upwards of 100mV.
Whether there's causality here I don't know, it was just something I noticed.
Other transistor types I tried were 2N2222A, BC174, BCY59A, BC549A, 2SC752.
Okay, thanks for info. I guess this will need some good sockets for the try out phase...
One last observation: it did appear as though the pedal sounded different when powered from a power supply compared to a battery. With the power supply the sound was noticably brighter to my ears - even with the supply voltage set to 8.37V. I didn't spend much time thinking about this, but I do know that the original and the clone sound the same when powered from the same source - battery or power supply.
You are not the first person to have noticed this. Some say that even the type of battery has an influence on the sound. IDK? Perhaps it is also a good idea to make the operating voltage variable? "Starving" pot?
This was the first time I ever had to build something which sounded identical to something existing. It was also the first time I was able to open up and look at a vintage pedal. All in all a rather educating, enjoyable and satisfying experience.
(y) Thank you for sharing this with us.
I do think the circuit is rather neat in its simplicity and the range of sounds you're able to get from varying the "Depth" control, and I quite like the sounds.
Me too.
 
Sorry, but I got confused here.
Why was you'er friend expecting for something "Louder"?

If it is a good clone, then it should sound like the original and should also have the same loudness as the original.

Am I missing something here?

Yeah sorry, I should have emphasized: to our ears the clone is exact in terms of sound and loudness. With the downside that it suffers from the same (relative) low output volume as the original when used with a high output pickup.

You should post in dedicated guitar pedal forums:

diystompboxes forum and Freestompboxes

You will get much more replies and help over those 2 spots
I realize that. It was a conscious decision as I wanted to contribute here on this forum.

If he wants a louder option, build him one of the many simple booster circuits out there. You could put it in the same box with a separate foot switch or a separate box so he could try it in different places on his pedalboard. Hopefully our resident Fuzz guru, Gus, makes an appearance here. He's usually got something useful to add.

I built a Runoffgroove Omega boost which I like very much, but I mostly play single coil guitars (tele, strat, Rickenbacker, Casino). It tends to break up even with hot single coils, so probably not a great choice with humbuckers. There are other cleaner boosts around.
Yeah that's probably what I'll start with. I have a couple of boost pedals that I'll hook up after the Fuzz for him next time he's over.

Audio electronics, its all good,
Roger that, thanks!

Yes, I am very interested because I am planning to build one or two Fuzzrites! Good timing!
Go for it! I still have both the original and the clone with me so I can take more measurements if you think need anything more detailed. I won't unsolder anything from the original anymore though :)

You are not the first person to have noticed this. Some say that even the type of battery has an influence on the sound. IDK? Perhaps it is also a good idea to make the operating voltage variable? "Starving" pot?
I've read/heard about this countless times, never experienced it myself before - live and learn :)

Lenny
 
Go for it! I still have both the original and the clone with me so I can take more measurements if you think need anything more detailed. I won't unsolder anything from the original anymore though :)
Hi Lenny, how did you achieve the uncommon potentiometer values? Additional resistors in parallel? Other circuit diagrams show the volume pot as 50K LOG...How does the potentiometer response of your clone compare to the original?

Screenshot 2024-04-06 at 15-12-16 Mosrite Fuzzrite.png
 
Hi Lenny, how did you achieve the uncommon potentiometer values? Additional resistors in parallel? Other circuit diagrams show the volume pot as 50K LOG...How does the potentiometer response of your clone compare to the original?
Indeed I used resistors in parallel with 1Meg pots. As indicated on the schematic, the pot values were measured and there's no indication of their nominal value on the pots themselves so I don't know if my guesses with regards to the original values are correct.
I did not really compare the response from the pots since with the added resistors in parallel you get altered tapers to some degree. And I must admit I did not think of trying to determine the original tapers (or maybe I did, didn't take notes and I forgot). I ASSumed a log for volume and a linear for the depth pot. Shame on me.
At the fully clockwise and fully counter-clockwise positions the clone sounds like the original is all I can say. Any in-between sounds/levels are likely not at the same rotational position.
 
At the fully clockwise and fully counter-clockwise positions the clone sounds like the original is all I can say. Any in-between sounds/levels are likely not at the same rotational position.
That's good enough, the important thing is that you can set the same sounds. The actual position of the pots is not so important. I just noticed this when studying the various schematics. Thanks!
 
I built GE and SI a few years ago and ended up with 2n3904 / 2n2222 combo after shooting out lots of others. Check out "John K"'s SI version on the tagboard forum. Some useful add-ons there, a pre gain and tone knob.
 
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Re: the bypass. Never seen one like that. It seems it would reduce treble loss, in bypass, due to q1 emitter lifted from gnd.....unless I’m missing something?
 
Re: the bypass. Never seen one like that. It seems it would reduce treble loss, in bypass, due to q1 emitter lifted from gnd.....unless I’m missing something?
It dos not provide any benefit compared to a standard by-pass.
Switching power at the same time probably produces a large noise. I don't think the circuit has time to stabilize in the short changeover time.
 
Go for it! I still have both the original and the clone with me so I can take more measurements if you think need anything more detailed. I won't unsolder anything from the original anymore though :)
Hi Lenny, can you do me a favor please? I am interested in the dimensions and construction of the housing. It would be nice if you could publish them here and also show a few photos where you can see how the box is bent.

Cheers

Edit: some nice photos can be found here

https://reverb.com/de/item/71085554-mosrite-fuzzrite-fuzz-pedal-1960s
 

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