hey brad-
I just reread my post, it sounds kinda snotty and I think I read that way a bit online, my new yorker personality doesnt translate well at all online. What irks me is the symantics of this and Ive said this before elsewhere. People talk about turning a 1272 into a mic pre, as if its not a mic pre in the first place.
you have a 10468 steup transformer on the input on a 1272.
you have a 10468 stepup transformer on a 1073 and a 1290 which are "mic pres".
You've got a 283 amplifier board which we'll assumed is stuff A-V on the 1272 which is not a mic pre.
Youve got a 283 amplifier board in a 1073 and a 1290 which are mic pre's.
Youve got a LO1166 output transformer in a 1272 which is not a mic pre.
You've got a LO1166 output transformer in a 1073 and a 1290 which is a mic pre.
Kids, whats the difference outside of the symantics by which you are calling it? Thats my only point.
The first couple of steps on the 1073 switch are attenuation and then I think 2 clicks of boost? The third stage in a 1073 is out of the circuit until whatever, 50 dB or something? Then its engaged. So at gains you use normally, or at least in gains I use normally recording %80 of the things on a rock record, there is no difference in use or sound between what you have in a 1272, 1290 or 1073 in regards to the amplifier.
My point in not stressing about following the neve model completely is based on the fact that you could, for instance, hook of a 10468 into a 283AV into a LO1166. Place a 20dB pad in front of the 10468. Wire the fader between the stages as a full fader to 0dB. Use a cheap switch to boost either the front amp, the rear amp or both simultaneously on a dual band switch, all three will sound different, I suggest boosting both together, but thats my taste, experiment. If you wire it like that, youve just saved yourself having to buy a very expensive elma switch and a lot of time wiring a complicated switch. You wont find those notes in the neve docs. If you study the neve docs, the stuff was made SOOOOO well, it tends to be overkill in a lot of cases and lotsa stuff was just too damn confusing for me when I was starting out, so I simplified like I just explained, and it makes the same sound coming out of the speaker, works like all the other gear I have so I know the flow and is fully fabulous. So when I say disregard the neve model, Im suggesting that you can take the circuit and come up with an easier and more affordable way to implement it, thats all.
when you look at a neve console, there arent a lot of different circuits and parts, its very few building blocks put together to make a very cool thing. Just take those same building blocks and make your own cool thing. You dont need the complicated 1073 elma switch if you are just starting, there are way easier ways to do it. when you look at these things like building blocks instead of "1272" or "1073" its sometimes easier to understand it. Thats at least what it took to get it in my thick head.
trying to be helpful only-
dave
I just reread my post, it sounds kinda snotty and I think I read that way a bit online, my new yorker personality doesnt translate well at all online. What irks me is the symantics of this and Ive said this before elsewhere. People talk about turning a 1272 into a mic pre, as if its not a mic pre in the first place.
you have a 10468 steup transformer on the input on a 1272.
you have a 10468 stepup transformer on a 1073 and a 1290 which are "mic pres".
You've got a 283 amplifier board which we'll assumed is stuff A-V on the 1272 which is not a mic pre.
Youve got a 283 amplifier board in a 1073 and a 1290 which are mic pre's.
Youve got a LO1166 output transformer in a 1272 which is not a mic pre.
You've got a LO1166 output transformer in a 1073 and a 1290 which is a mic pre.
Kids, whats the difference outside of the symantics by which you are calling it? Thats my only point.
The first couple of steps on the 1073 switch are attenuation and then I think 2 clicks of boost? The third stage in a 1073 is out of the circuit until whatever, 50 dB or something? Then its engaged. So at gains you use normally, or at least in gains I use normally recording %80 of the things on a rock record, there is no difference in use or sound between what you have in a 1272, 1290 or 1073 in regards to the amplifier.
My point in not stressing about following the neve model completely is based on the fact that you could, for instance, hook of a 10468 into a 283AV into a LO1166. Place a 20dB pad in front of the 10468. Wire the fader between the stages as a full fader to 0dB. Use a cheap switch to boost either the front amp, the rear amp or both simultaneously on a dual band switch, all three will sound different, I suggest boosting both together, but thats my taste, experiment. If you wire it like that, youve just saved yourself having to buy a very expensive elma switch and a lot of time wiring a complicated switch. You wont find those notes in the neve docs. If you study the neve docs, the stuff was made SOOOOO well, it tends to be overkill in a lot of cases and lotsa stuff was just too damn confusing for me when I was starting out, so I simplified like I just explained, and it makes the same sound coming out of the speaker, works like all the other gear I have so I know the flow and is fully fabulous. So when I say disregard the neve model, Im suggesting that you can take the circuit and come up with an easier and more affordable way to implement it, thats all.
when you look at a neve console, there arent a lot of different circuits and parts, its very few building blocks put together to make a very cool thing. Just take those same building blocks and make your own cool thing. You dont need the complicated 1073 elma switch if you are just starting, there are way easier ways to do it. when you look at these things like building blocks instead of "1272" or "1073" its sometimes easier to understand it. Thats at least what it took to get it in my thick head.
trying to be helpful only-
dave
